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Hello to all on the Stamp Forum!

 

I fully admit that I am also guilty (being so busy with my other shop – CDs and DVDs all over my Stamp Shop, in my lounge, in my garage and even in the boot of my very small car), but I think that as the year is coming to an end, we have to resurrect the Stamp Forum.

 

I do not believe for one moment that our stamp lives can be that boring.

 

For instance, Gabriel1 and yours truly visited the Witwatersrand Philatelic Society last night – what a brilliant experience. We also had a couple of very good laughs!

 

To get the ball rolling, I am showing a scan of a very UNIMPRESSIVE, yet extremely RARE item – two Union of South Africa NEWSPAPER Stamps used in Swaziland (Bremersdorp, now known as Manzini). According to the late Helmuth Hagen this is the only such piece known. Perhaps this item is philatelic – your input please. All I am sure of is that there are many specialized Swaziland collections which will always need this one specific item. Apparantly there were many Newspaper Stamps used in Swaziland, but they were all overprinted in red RMS / PMD (Road Motor Service / Pad Motor Diens). Are there collectors out there who can shed some light on this?

 

Thanks and regards

 

Jacques

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dstorm

Hello to all!

In connection with my previous post, I am here showing the Union of South Africa Newspaper Stamp overprinted in red RMS / PMD.

(Apparantly) Helmuth Hagen only had one of these in his collection: A mint one and not a used one. I am also the proud owner of this, but can anybody give some light on whether there are any used ones around? Were they only produced for use in Swaziland? It seems as if Hagen believed the latter.

Your input please!

Regards

Jacques

PS: I am NOT soliciting business with these posts. Items shown are part of my very eclectic personal collection and are not for sale!

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gabriel 1

Hi Jacques

 

I recently bid on a few of these on e-bay but had no luck, if memory serves me correctly I stopped at around 37 pounds UK.

 

As far as the forum is concerned I am always willing to give input but I need "stuff" to respond to.

 

I have just looked at the lots for the Crazy Wed auction, boring, same old same old. I can't believe that SA collectors are so narrow minded in their collecting habits. I recently invested in new stock in the form of Railway labels, parcel stamps etc., are yet to sell any and are too scared to list them on BoB as I have experienced huge losses in the past attempting to introduce collectors to new areas. I still think "But now" stores would work on BoB.

 

Regards

Gabriel1

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kennyn

Hello Gabriel1

Please list your railway labels and parcel labels I am sure plently of people will bid on them and if not I can then do you a favour and take them off your hands for a Rand or so!Just think,you can even bring them to Boksburg and save yourself the trouble of posting them!Or if you dont like the price you get you can just say you made a mistake!

Cheers

Kenny

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gabriel 1

Hi Kenny

 

You are just a bunch of laughs, where the hell have you been, there is still the unfinished bottle of jw black that Jacques has conveniently misplaced and erased all memory of.

 

On the railway labels, I would rather burn them than give them away, this is a huge collecting field overseas, as collectors are not prepared to expose themselves to modern collecting trends, they remain in their caves trying to light fires by banging 2 stones together.

 

Are you going to the war museum on Sat?, we need to discuss Jacques derogatory statement regarding us needing pictures in order to identify stamps.

 

Regards

Gabriel1

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RISadler

This is not exactly on-topic, but still related to the items generally listed on BoB and why I very rarely bid on anything anymore --- Why do SA collectors put so much emphasis on faults, variations and misprintings?

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gabriel 1

Hi

 

It is a collecting field on its own or used to enhance a specialised collection. Alot of the varieties are highly catalogued and there are those that have no real value except for the value they add to the collection. Many varieties are not catalogued and there are study groups that document them. This can be a very interesting field but one is limited to the items available. I think that over time some sellers have attempted to exploit the market by sensationalising some varieties (my opinion).

 

Regards

Gabriel1

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RISadler

I feel that some varieties, especially intended changes to the design, are important and should be collected, but I have also seen some that are just simply ludicrous.

 

The attitude towards varieties is also varied, and I still remember taking a stamp that was somewhat "different" to a respectable dealer and being told that it was worthless. I kept the stamp and recently saw a similar one sold for R40,00.

 

Yes, some dealers are definitely exploiting the "errors" market, and it is my opinion that this is somewhat killing the hobby. Newcomers are lured into spending too much money on single stamps with "errors", thinking they are investments, instead of building collections.

 

Lastly, I always look at some of the "scarce" items for sale on BoB and cannot help but wonder if they really are worth that much money. What do you think?

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gabriel 1

Rare, scarce and unique are words that are used losely far too often by sellers in an attempt to make a sale. It must be very confusing to the new collector being faced with all this scarce material, then frustrating to later find that it is not as scarce as was described. My advise to collectors is that they educate themselves as much as possible and not take the sellers word for it.

 

Gabriel1

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dstorm

Hello Gabrile1

 

we need to discuss Jacques derogatory statement regarding us needing pictures in order to identify stamps.

 

As an eminent philatelist who is (after a record short time) to be elevated to the next level, you amaze me. Philatelists like yourself do not need pictures from a catalogue to identify a Union stamp (this assuming that you are already holding the stamp firmly with your tweezer, thus already having a “picture” of the stamp in question.

As far as the Union Definitives are concerned, there were only three issues: The King’s Heads, The Pictorials and the Animals. These three issues must make up 99.99% of the catalogue value of a complete SACC listed Union of South Africa Collection.

The King’s Heads have unique designs, the colours mostly confirming to the UPU guidelines. Half Penny Green, One Penny Red, etc, etc. No pictures needed here.

The Pictorials are just as easy. Half Penny Springbok, One Penny Ship, etc, etc. The Londons are Recess Printed, The Pretorias either Rotogravure or Screened Printing. No pictures needed here. Nor will they be of any use as the colours / surfaces are not accurately reproduced. No pictures need here unless you can’t distinguish between a picture of 10/- Table Bay and a picture of a 10/- Cape Dutch House.

The Animals are even easier – either in Pennies and Shillings or the Decimal System. No pictures needed here unless you need a picture to distinguish between a Springbok and a COA Watermark. Or if you do not know the difference between a Gnu and a Hippo.

Rather use the space to list more varieties – Pictures NEEDED here!

Had a solemn meeting with KennyN tonight – you are destined for great things (we will vote for you).

Regards

Jacques

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gabriel 1

Very patronising but I have no ambitions to rub shoulders with likes of those you are refering to. Fun and promoting our hobby is the name of the game, it is nice to step on toes from time to time, makes people realise that all is not as they think or believe it is.

 

Remember, for a new collector starting out, who knows nothing about Union etc, pictures would be highly beneficial, space should not be a issue, at the rate that technology is moving I am sure a moon landing is even on the cards.

 

Regards

Gabriel1

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Little Miss Muffet

Has asnyone seen one of these before??

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dstorm

Hi

It looks like a European Cinderella.

I am sure that KennyN is the guy to nswer this!

Regards

Jacques

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dstorm

Hello Gabriel1

Sorry about being patronizing!

I was a bit “tongue in the cheek”.

Of course we need pictures.

Can you imagine me identifying a 1900’s French or Austrian stamp without a picture? Great Britain or Commonwealth is difficult enough.

Regards

Jacques

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gabriel 1

Hi Geewhiz

 

I believe that the item is a German "Toy Stamp", it probably came from a kids toy stationary/post office set. The postmark is also probably from the same toy set and the kids writing on the postcard adds weight to this. I could be wrong but doubt it.

 

Regards

Gabriel1

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kennyn

Hi Jacques and Gabriel1

Gabriel1 as you know business is so incredible at the moment that stamps is taking a bit of a back seat but yeah I think I will saunter along to the War Museum.As for the meeting between myself and Jacques,we are beginning to wonder whether such a future eminent philatalist like yourself(Steve Catlin,RSDPA,SAPDA,FRPSL,MBE,OBE etc)will remember his humble beginnings as honoury life secretary of The Exhibition with a Difference(nice article in The Philatelist).

But as Jacques says we will vote for you!

Cheers

Kenny

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kennyn

Hi Geewhizz/Gabriel1/Jacques

Gabriel you are correct,this probably dates to the 1930"s and the stamp was part of a post office set which provided all the things kids needed to " play post office".This particular postcard more than likely was sent inside another envelope (in this case from a little girl to her ouma)as it has the play postmark and did not attract tax markings(which would have been much more interesting and a rather nice item)

Regards

Kenny

Kenny

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RISadler
The King’s Heads [..] the colours mostly confirming to the UPU guidelines. Half Penny Green, One Penny Red, etc, etc.

 

Now I've learned something.

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Little Miss Muffet
Hi Geewhizz/Gabriel1/Jacques

Gabriel you are correct,this probably dates to the 1930"s and the stamp was part of a post office set which provided all the things kids needed to " play post office".This particular postcard more than likely was sent inside another envelope (in this case from a little girl to her ouma)as it has the play postmark and did not attract tax markings(which would have been much more interesting and a rather nice item)

Regards

Kenny

Kenny

Up on wednesday R1 crazy auction.

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