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Deleting a bid bug

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mikek123

Hi,

 

I think you guys have a bug in your system, that various buyers might be aware of, and are taking advantage of.

 

I have an item on auction. Person A had a winning bid on this item, of R12000.00. Person B then came along and posted a question, offering me R12500.00 for the item on a buy now. I replied to person B, saying that I didn't think it would be fair, seeing as other people had already bid on the item.

 

AFTER telling person B that I wouldn't consider his R12500.00 buy now offer, he went and made a bid of R12100.00 on the item. Almost immediately, he then asked me to delete his winning bid, which I did. I thought that the winning bid would revert to the R12000.00 bid placed by person A, but that didn't happen. The system actually reverted to the opening auction price of R11600.00.

 

I have a feeling that person B is well aware of this problem, and because I refused his buy now offer, made a bid, then asked me to delete it, knowing that it would mess up the winning bid that person A had made.

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Little Miss Muffet

Person B must have bid after the auction reached R11,600 i.e B had bids inbetween 11,600 and R12,000 so by deleting his last bid you delete any other bid he made inbetween and the bidding drops to R11,600. He has no ratings so could be aware of this practise but admin will confirm it

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MacMuffin
Hi,

 

I think you guys have a bug in your system, that various buyers might be aware of, and are taking advantage of.

 

Can you please post a link to the trade? There are many variables affecting the current bid price when a most recent bid is deleted.

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mikek123

@geewhizz: The sequence of events (as I understand them) went more-or-less like this: -

 

1. Auction opened at R 11 600.00.

2. Person A bid R 11 600.00 - Bid didn't meet reserve.

3. Person A made another bid of R 12 000.00 - Bid now meets reserve.

4. Person B makes a bid of R 12 100.00, and then asks me to delete the bid.

5. I delete Person B's bid.

6. Current bid falls back to R 11 600.00.

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Little Miss Muffet

 

The bid increase was R100 So something took place inbetween R11,600 and R12,100. Person A may have had an automatic bid and possibly,although you would not see person B's bids R11,700 and so forth, found he was outbid because of person A's automatic bid.

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mikek123

Maybe I just don't understand how the various mechanisms on BOB work, but, at the end of the day, a R 12 000.00 bid has gone missing. According to my understanding of things (which I admit might very well be incorrect), the bid should have fallen back to the R 12 000.00 bid, when the R 12 100.00 bid was deleted. AFAIK, the person who placed the R 12 000.00 bid might not even be aware of the fact that the current bid is sitting below the reserve, because when he made his last bid, the reserve had been met.

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Little Miss Muffet

If you receive mail informing you of bids on your items you will see the bids went from R11,600 to R11,700, R11,800 etc up to R12,100

B must have had bids inbetween otherwise the bids would not have fallen away.

A bids R11,600

B bids R11,700 but finds he has been outbid by A's automatic bid so he bids again R11,800 but still finds the same thing

When he gets to R12,000 he emails you with an offer of R12,500.

You say "no" so he bids until he outbids A's automatic bid of most likely R12,000

He is now winning on R12,100 and asks for his bid to be deleted and all his bids fall away last to first R12,100 to R11,700

If I did not want to deal with B because of past experiance it would be of no use to me if only his last bid was deleted--He would still be around.

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mikek123

I only received three emails with regard to bids that were placed, and here they are, in the order in which I received them (just the relevant portion of the email): -

 

@ 06:15 03 August - You have received a bid of R11,600.00 from PaulCannell (9) on your auction 42811554.

@ 09:30 03 August - You have received a bid of R12,000.00 from PaulCannell (9) on your auction 42811554.

@ 18:46 04 August - You have received a bid of R12,100.00 from platinum1007043 (23 Rating score between 10 and 49) on your auction 42811554.

 

The last bid was the one that I deleted. I also received the following email with regard to the deletion: -

 

@ 19:21 04 August - The bid of R12,100.00 from platinum1007043 (23 Rating score between 10 and 49) has been deleted from your auction 42811554.

 

So, according to my understanding of things, the bid should have fallen back to the last bid made by PaulCannell, right? But it didn't. The bid actually fell back to the first bid (R 11 600.00) made by PaulCannell.

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donovink

Mike,

 

Although the emails state the PaulCannell placed the bid, this is not entirely correct. He had obviosuly placed an automatic bid up to R12000.00. The next bidder comes along and bids R12000.00 which is equivalent to the auto bid of the first bidder so in effect the first bidder has automatically increased his bid to match the new bid. The second bidder then bids R12100 and now outbids the initial auto bid so leads. When you then deleted his bid, you delete all previous bids made by the buyer so the leading bid in this case would now be the very first bid of R11600 placed so in effect you have only recieved the first opening bid and all subsequent deleted bids by the second buyer become non-existent.

 

Hope that makes it a bit clearer.

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mikek123

Thanks. That does make sense.

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