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Hi

 

Bob, can we please have some feedback on buy it signed. I have purchased from them, and would like to know now, if i need to question the authenticity of what I bought. Since the last thread was closed by bob, pending an investigation, nothing further has been said, and I note that buy it signed has not been selling.

 

Please advise!

 

Thanks

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qball

We have been trying to get hold of the seller who was overseas until very recently, as soon as we can get hold of him to get feedback we will post it. We have no reason at this stage, based on 1 valid complaint to suspect that all items are not genuine. Having said that, it would be up to the buyer to authenticate the item purchased to get clarity on this.

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We have been trying to get hold of the seller who was overseas until very recently, as soon as we can get hold of him to get feedback we will post it. We have no reason at this stage, based on 1 valid complaint to suspect that all items are not genuine. Having said that, it would be up to the buyer to authenticate the item purchased to get clarity on this.

 

Bit of a catch 22 Cuan. It is going to cost me a whole lot more than the actual cost of the item to get it verified. But thanks, I suppose I didnt pay much for it so will leave it at that.

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

Thanks

 

Grant

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Hello GAMU Trading

Do you really think that a soccer player like Messi, for instance, would ever sign a non-genuine shirt? His club / contract or sponsors would simply never allow it.

The above holds true for almost all professional sportsmen / women.

No certificates needed….

Regards

Jacques

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Bit of a catch 22 Cuan. It is going to cost me a whole lot more than the actual cost of the item to get it verified. But thanks, I suppose I didnt pay much for it so will leave it at that.

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

Thanks

 

Grant

 

It is rather, but we have to deal with facts in these cases.

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Hello GAMU Trading

Do you really think that a soccer player like Messi, for instance, would ever sign a non-genuine shirt? His club / contract or sponsors would simply never allow it.

The above holds true for almost all professional sportsmen / women.

No certificates needed….

Regards

Jacques

 

Hi Jacques

 

The seller supplied us with actual photographs of some of the signatories signing the shirts and other memorabilia, as is common practice in this industry, to verify that the person actually signed it... so we have no reason to doubt this, even if the short is a replica, the important part is the signature, even if it was on a paper napkin, it is worth something.

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Hello Cuan

 

A contracted soccer player might sign on a napkin, but he would under no circumstances be allowed to sign a replica Barcelona or Manchester United shirt, for instance.

 

Selling authorized club memorabilia is big money to the European or South American clubs and no club would ever allow its contracted players to promote replica items.

 

There is no proof that the person who was busy signing on the photograph supplied to BoB was indeed signing the merchandise being offered for sale on BoB.

 

I also cannot understand why a BoB seller is not allowed to sell replicas that are not signed, yet he is allowed to sell replicas that are signed.

 

Thank you very much and regards

 

Jacques

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Hello GAMU Trading

Do you really think that a soccer player like Messi, for instance, would ever sign a non-genuine shirt? His club / contract or sponsors would simply never allow it.

The above holds true for almost all professional sportsmen / women.

No certificates needed….

Regards

Jacques

 

The product I bought was not a replica. It was a genuine Canterbury product. That much I am sure of!

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Hello Cuan

 

A contracted soccer player might sign on a napkin, but he would under no circumstances be allowed to sign a replica Barcelona or Manchester United shirt, for instance.

 

Selling authorized club memorabilia is big money to the European or South American clubs and no club would ever allow its contracted players to promote replica items.

 

There is no proof that the person who was busy signing on the photograph supplied to BoB was indeed signing the merchandise being offered for sale on BoB.

 

I also cannot understand why a BoB seller is not allowed to sell replicas that are not signed, yet he is allowed to sell replicas that are signed.

 

Thank you very much and regards

 

Jacques

 

Jacques, with all due respect, replica jerseys are sold in most official retail outlets like Sportsmans Warehouse, etc. These are genuine replica jerseys - football, rugby, etc. they are actually official replica products. As far as we are concerned the jersey looks the same that were signed, so as I said we are reasonably satisfied with what was presented to us - we had no reason to doubt this. The issue here is not replica jerseys, and we do not allow "fake" replica jerseys to be sold, I am going to sound like a stuck record here, but report suspect items to communitywatch@bidorbuy.co.za for us to investigate or if you have purchased a replica (fake) product, get it checked by an authorised and knowledgable person in such products and provide us with confirmation of this. Official replica products can generally only be sold by authorised resellers. However, there is nothing stopping someone buying their own and getting a player or celebrity to sign it, it still has collectable value, regardless of what it is signed on...

 

Secondly, why would a seller deliberately sell you fake products and signatures knowing full well they can be checked and authenticated? The seller offers a full money back guarantee if the item does turn out to be fake. The question is whether the seller is knowingly doing this, which we are inclined to believe is not the case, as he has been more than co-operative and has refunded the buyer if the item was not genuine. There are many other factors that one must consider before jumping to conclusions. While you make some valid points, we don't believe this to be the case.

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Hello Cuan

Point taken.

Thanks and regards

Jacques

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cainos125

Verified

 

I bought a ronaldo shirt from this seller awhille back. After speaking to another BOB seller i decided to have it verified and so mailed it to the UK. My friend there took it to a sport store that has a reputable verification service.

 

this is what came back

 

1) The shirt is authentic "the shirt itself"

2) The signature was verified "took ages" and came back as authentic.

 

Therefore i have no doubt this seller sells the genuine article. My distrust cost me over R900 but in the end this should put an end to the debate.

 

Re-evaluation certificate etc is available to BOB admin if required

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So the shirt that was sold as a replica got a certificate as “authentic”?

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An Authentic Replica!!!!!:twisted:

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Bob

 

Any idea why Buyitsigned are not selling anything anymore? I had a look at their profile and some worrying negatives have come in?

 

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Unfortunately not, we have tried contacting Rob several times without luck, we are not sure why he is not responding. We can't base everything on negatives, one user hasn't even paid, so essentially only 3 negatives this whole year. We restricted his ability to sell until he contacts us, that is why he is not selling. It is a concern that he is not responding to our contact requests.

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tips to make sure you buy original signed items

 

In the USA research has found that 50% of all signatures for sale on the net are fraudulent, that shows you the extent of the problem. Watch video on this link:

1\ most COA are not worth the paper they have been printed on, anyone with a pc and a printer at home can make them.

2\ ask questions, most authentic traders will be able to supply the following info, when the items were signed, where the signing took place, if the supplier is unable to answer these basic questions assume the worst. When Ronaldo or Messi turn up at your office for a signing you don’t tend to forget this info and most companies will take photos to use in there publicity drives.

3\ most big name players have agreements in place with memorabilia companies and these company’s would be the best place to find authentic merchandise, Wayne Rooney is currently under contract with A1sportsmemrabilia.

4\Some players will only autograph an item if they can be personalized it - Thierry Henry will ask for you name and write you a short greating. Others will not sign certain items- Eric Cantona will not sign any photo or item with the karate kick incident.

5\ a private signing sessions cost a lot of money to arrange a current player will pocket between 2 to 5 thousand pounds for a 20 min session that excludes the cost of the shirts, boots and posters. In the session a player will sign between 50 to 100 items. If you take all these cost into consideration it would make no sense that you can pick up a Ronaldo signed shirt for R400 as the supplier would not make money..

6\ Team signed shirts, this is one of the hardest items to find, as in most cases there will always be some members of the squad that will refuse to sign or are not present! I was in London a couple of months ago and made a trip to the Emirates, at the arsenal store they had a team signed shirt for about 500 pounds. The guy at the store told me they only managed to get 10 for the whole season. The problem was getting all the players in at the same time, as injury’s, non-football commitments and players being dropped to the mid-week sides made it almost impossible to bring these guys together.

7\ with the above in mind any supplier that would seem to have an endless supply of items must be views with caution. I have recently got my hands on a Messi signed Barcelona home shirt, this took almost 5 months as I was notified 2 months prior by the signing session within 48 hours all 25 shirts he was going to sign had been pre-sold! it took me 8 months to land a frank lampard signed shirt.

8\ items can be verified local, but you will need a second item already verified as original to carry out comparison. This can be done by any handwriting specialist (forensic examiner).

9\ Signatures are almost done by instinct, they may very slightly depending on surface signed etc, but they will never have more strokes.

hope this helps.

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Qball

 

Hi. Have you managed to track Rob down. I have left several emails for him, and have had no response. Information has come to light which seriously questions the authenticity of the item I purchased from him, and I would like to take him up on his 100% money back guarentee.

 

Thanks

 

Grant

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Hi qball

 

Hi grant

I returned my items about 12 months ago and he gave me a full refund. Did see some of his stuff at framing shop in randburg so he is still selling.

Edited by Vican123
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Hi grant

I returned my items about 12 months ago and he gave me a full refund. Did see some of his stuff at framing shop in randburg so he is still selling.

 

Thanks Vican123 - Much appreciated for that.

 

Grant

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Qball

 

Hi. Have you managed to track Rob down. I have left several emails for him, and have had no response. Information has come to light which seriously questions the authenticity of the item I purchased from him, and I would like to take him up on his 100% money back guarentee.

 

Thanks

 

Grant

 

Unfortunately we have not been able to get hold of him.

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Unfortunately we have not been able to get hold of him.

 

So much for the "100% money back guarentee".

 

If anyone can enlighten me on how I may contact Rob, I would be appreciative.

 

Thanks

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Can somebody also enlighten me on how all the images in Buyitsigned's adverts have dissapeared? I went in to look at the item I won yet the images have mysteriously dissapeared and then trying to look at his other items sold and the same thing? Is it just my PC?

 

I have a sneaking suspicion the images weren't uploaded on bob, and were hosted elsewhere and have now been deleted? Am I wrong?

Edited by Seeds for Africa

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So much for the "100% money back guarentee".

 

If anyone can enlighten me on how I may contact Rob, I would be appreciative.

 

Thanks

 

Please check your PM...

 

Thanks

Cuan

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