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culltony
Hi All

 

Take a peak at most beautiful coins coming on auction this December. Heritage is the worlds largest collectables auctioneer and dealer.... Heritage Auctions | The World's Largest Collectibles Auctioneer

 

The Highlights Are:

 

1892 Proof Pond PF65

1892 Proof Halfpond PF64 Cameo

1892 Proof 5 Shilling PF66 Cameo

1892 Proof 5 Shilling PF65

1892 Proof 3 Pence PF66

1892 Proof 5 Shilling PF63

1892 Pond Single Shaft MS61

1893 Halfpond XF40

1893 Halfpond AU50

1893 Pond MS62

1897 1/2 Pond MS62

1874 Burgers Pond AU55

1898 Sammy Marks Golden Tickey 64

1902 Veldpond MS63

1902 Veldpond MS64

1892 Proof 1 Shilling PF65 Cameo

1892 5 Shilling MS63

 

 

This is a just a few I have mentioned.... Many more to come.... This will definitely be a lovely auction to be part off.

 

Imagine 3 x 1892 Proof 5 Shilling for sale... Heritage says this is probably the last time ever they will see so many 1892 Proof Crowns.....

 

Would someone kindly provide a page link to were this info is on ha.com, as I can't seem to find them, even a search brings a nil result. Thanks

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EWAAN Galleries

Just search south Africa and all comes up. All the pictures are not there yet.

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geejay50

Hello all collectors,

 

The Heritage Auction does not have only very high quality ZAR coins, there are also some lovely George V coins that will no doubt attract bids in that area. 1932 Halfpence MS65 RB and 1933 Halfpence MS65RB spring to mind.

 

It has been five years or so that a Mint state 1895 Halfcrown has been offered for sale.

 

Geejay

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geejay50

Hello all,

 

Beware of the fake ZAR coins floating around, as genuine quality stock gets less and less, so the Forgeries seem to be getting more common.

 

The forgeries most damaging to the wallet are the Gold ones that are sold by unscrupulous sellers as if they are the real deal.Especially to be noted are the the 'Z' Pond group of 1894 and 1897 Ponden, but also the 'two variety ' of 1892 Halfpond.

 

Some pics to illustrate these. Only the 1892 Halfpond BU reverse and its close up (top left) are genuine. The close up of the wavy two is shown in the two variety forgery. In the case of the 1894 Pond, apart from the nicks in the 'Z',the nose and upper lip , the beading is very poorly developed in the reverse. The whole coin is an Unc cast copy of a XF coin with poor lettering as well compared to a genuine coin.

 

Geejay

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geejay50

Hi all,

 

Here is a good example of the 1897 Z Pond forgery where the same Obverse die was used as for the 1894 variety. A genuine 1897 Pond is shown on its right.

Please note the differences between the Genuine and the Forgery , the same as the 1894 shown above.Note especially the poor clarity of the writing of the Legend in the Forgery compared to the Genuine and also the almost absent beading in places on the Reverse of the Forgery.

 

Have any of you seen an 1898 Z Pond Forgery? I have not yet although Levine does mention them.

 

Geejay

 

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Patricia_Gert

Hi All,

 

Georg, thank you for the post and the nice clear pictures!

 

I also have not seen an 1898 Z Pond Forgery. On the other hand the 1894 and 1897 Z Pond Forgeries seem quite common, a couple of years ago there where lots of them on Ebay. I also saw some of these sold for large sums of money, so unfortunately some people would have been burnt.

 

Kind Regards,

Gert

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EWAAN Galleries

Hi Georg

 

Excellent postings. Keep it up.. We have never seen a fake 1898 pond.

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ATOMICSQUIRREL

When does the auction start?

Don't see any reserves or starting bids?

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EWAAN Galleries

Keep checking. We all doing that :)

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geejay50

Hi all Collectors,

 

Just to remind you of the beauty of the Proof ZAR. This coin belonged formerly to Mr Eli Levine from his own collection. It graded Pf63 and has all the features of the best in ZAR. Photo taken prior to grading.

 

Please keep the pics coming.

 

This is a slot for Numismatists remember, your contribution will keep it alive and free from being another platform for interminable pointless arguments.

 

Geejay

 

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ATOMICSQUIRREL
Hi all Collectors,

 

Just to remind you of the beauty of the Proof ZAR. This coin belonged formerly to Mr Eli Levine from his own collection. It graded Pf63 and has all the features of the best in ZAR. Photo taken prior to grading.

 

Please keep the pics coming.

 

This is a slot for Numismatists remember, your contribution will keep it alive and free from being another platform for interminable pointless arguments.

 

Geejay

 

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Absolutely stunning coin!!

Excuse me, but I just drooled on my T-shirt:sneaky:

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EWAAN Galleries

Hi Georg

 

I still think the nicest looking 2.5 Shilling is PF63 that was in Peter Kloppers collection. I cant find the pictures... Do you still have them?

 

That is a stunner!!!!!

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geejay50

Hi Ewaan,

 

I have by chance still pics of that coin taken before grading. I sent it for grading for Mr Klopper a few years ago and know that he was so struck by it, he kept an enlarged photograph of it in his office.

 

Yes its a real stunner and actually it graded Pf62 if I recall correctly. The reverse is multicoloured.Unfortunately, my photography wasnt that good then but here is my best shot.

 

Geejay

 

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geejay50

Hi Collectors,

 

Seldom seen outside slabs if ever.

 

Here is an 1892 Double Shaft Crown that I took photos of before grading.

 

Can you guess the grade?

 

Geejay

 

 

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4kids

RARE 1938 Shilling!!

 

 

I thought that I will get your attention with such a caption. However this is serious. See attached picture of a never before seen 1938 Shilling - NO DOT AFTER DATE and a MS on top of it all. Now just have to wait and see if NGC will accept the variety as it is not documented as yet.

 

Enjoy the picture

 

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Pierre_Henri
RARE 1938 Shilling!!

 

 

I thought that I will get your attention with such a caption. However this is serious. See attached picture of a never before seen 1938 Shilling - NO DOT AFTER DATE and a MS on top of it all. Now just have to wait and see if NGC will accept the variety as it is not documented as yet.

 

Enjoy the picture

 

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I think they will just have to accept it - it is as clear as daylight. Fantastic find 4kids -well done!

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jwither

I presume that since many Union coins are scarce to begin with, that there are a lot of rare Union varieties. Alex catalogued them in Nomisma though I do not recall any rarity estimates. I'm not sure whether NGC will label it that way or not.

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jwither
Hello all collectors,

 

The Heritage Auction does not have only very high quality ZAR coins, there are also some lovely George V coins that will no doubt attract bids in that area. 1932 Halfpence MS65 RB and 1933 Halfpence MS65RB spring to mind.

 

It has been five years or so that a Mint state 1895 Halfcrown has been offered for sale.

 

Geejay

 

The 1895 2/6 and 1933 1/2d in MS are scarce, more so the former. The 1932 1/2d is not. There are about 30 MS in the census now and I believe about 10 in MS-65 RB. It USED to be a low pop coin but it is not anymore. I owned one in this grade a few months ago but sold it.

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4kids
The 1932 1/2d is not. There are about 30 MS in the census now and I believe about 10 in MS-65 RB. It USED to be a low pop coin but it is not anymore. I owned one in this grade a few months ago but sold it.

 

The correct NGC population is as follows:

 

MS63 = 5

MS64 = 8

MS65 = 10

Total = 23,

 

Of which 14 were graded as one lot, and one additional not so long ago. All of these are accounted for and taken up in serious collections, except for 1 which I suspect are in overseas collections with a collector not known to me and one now on Heritage. This include the 2 x MS63 and 2 X MS64's at PCGS for a total of 27 pieces.

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jwither

I was off by a count of three. I did not check either before I wrote the last post.

 

In any event, I do not consider this census count particularly scarce though others might. I would agree that this coin has a "reputational" scarcity above its actual scarcity and that yes, based upon what you say, that its availability is apparently restricted. But it is still more common than a lot of other dates whereas before, it was believed to be much scarcer.

 

By the standards of a hoard, 14 is a small one but this is an example of what I have commented upon many times in the past. That some or most of these coins are more available than many apparently think. I have either seen or owned quite a few hoards though most were KGVI. (The 1923 1d is also a hoard coin and DNW also had hoards of the 1935 and 1936 1/2d in prior auctions where I bought the KVI I just mentioned. I suspect that these coins were similar grades which was MS-62 to MS-64. I also just checked the 1924 1/2d and the MS-65 and MS-66 counts have both skyrocketed. When I saved the NGC census about six weeks ago, the count was 23 and 5. Now it is 62 and 16.) I still believe that there are many hoards like this one out there to be found though it is impossible to know exactly how many coins or which dates and denominations. Depending upon the coin, an MS "hoard" of three or four MS would be significant while for others like those I bought, another 20 would not.

 

For those who think otherwise, go check the NGC census for the 1754 Mexico Pillar 8R. If there are over 400 hundred of this coin in MS plus over two dozen of several other dates from both Mexico and Peru, I see no reason to believe why there should not be many undiscovered small hoards for many Union at this time.

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geejay50

Hi Collectors,

 

What would you expect to pay for this coin? Its Hern Catalogue value in EF is R50,000 and R100,000 in Unc but is that supported by precedent?

It is more common in graded form than say a 1927 Halfcrown (19 coins graded, 5 in MS - NGC & PCGS)

 

Mintage: 135 799

 

NGC: 26 coins graded 10 in AU best AU58 nil in MS

PCGS: 4 coins graded Two in MS (61,66)

 

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Geejay

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geejay50

Hi Collectors,

 

Your thoughts on this coin. Proof , Impaired Proof, Unc or circulated ?

 

Lets keep this site for Numismatists.

 

Geejay

 

 

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madathome
Hi Collectors,

 

Your thoughts on this coin. Proof , Impaired Proof, Unc or circulated ?

 

Lets keep this site for Numismatists.

 

Geejay

 

 

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The pictures suggest this to be a circulated piece in my opinion. However improper storage and PVC on the coin may "cover up what the coin in fact is. A reasonable AU grade. The rim shows much handling and I see no proof or indication that this may be an impaired proof. The hair and eyebrow shows slight wear , legend edges also somewhat more rounded than what a proof would be. The reverse is much better.

 

Regards

Jan

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madathome
Hi Collectors,

 

What would you expect to pay for this coin? Its Hern Catalogue value in EF is R50,000 and R100,000 in Unc but is that supported by precedent?

It is more common in graded form than say a 1927 Halfcrown (19 coins graded, 5 in MS - NGC & PCGS)

 

Mintage: 135 799

 

NGC: 26 coins graded 10 in AU best AU58 nil in MS

PCGS: 4 coins graded Two in MS (61,66)

 

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Geejay

 

Hi George,

 

Despite the pop reports, this remains an elusive and difficult coin and still regarded by most as such. A price tage of around R 35 000.00 to R 55 000.00 I would say.

 

Regards

Jan

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jwither
Hi George,

 

Despite the pop reports, this remains an elusive and difficult coin and still regarded by most as such. A price tage of around R 35 000.00 to R 55 000.00 I would say.

 

Regards

Jan

 

I would rank this coin as the third scarcest half crown after the 1931 and 1926. Taking into consideration that Heritage sold a 1926 PCGS AU-58 for $2,500 in late 2008, I believe is worth and would sell for somewhat less than $5,000 USD now with competitive bidding. By competitive bidding, I am excluding private sales which seem to account for a disproportionate percentage of sales for this type of coin and which are a guess as to the actual value.

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