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Daykie    10
Daykie

I have contacted bidorbuy community watch forum a few times about these and nothing has been done. These multicarts are illegal and could land the seller in a lot of trouble. I understand that they may be under the impression that they are alright because they've bought them from a manufacturer who claims as much but I contacted core distribution and they confirmed these are illegal pirated games. Please can something be done because every week the games get listed. Not trying to be horrible to the seller but they really are not legal.

 

Other DS Games - 280 in 1 DS, DSi, DSi XL Game NEW ( SUPER Value for money ) With Latest Games for sale in Pietermaritzburg (ID:25177293)

 

Other DS Games - 356 in 1 DS, DSi, DSi XL Nintendo Game Card ( SUPER Value ) With Latest Games for sale in Pietermaritzburg (ID:25177549)

 

Here is the message I got from a Samantha at Core distribution (who distribute nintendo in SA)

 

 

Hi there

 

This is not legal at all. I have forwarded your query on to my superiors who will address this matter with urgency. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

 

Kind regards

Samantha

 

I know this is not a long or deep email but contact them yourself if you don't believe. These carts also kill the market for authentic Nintendo carts.

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qball    10
qball

Hi there

 

We would require something in writing from the official distributor in order to investigate the claims. Once you have received this, please forward it to communitywatch@bidorbuy.co.za.

 

Thank you.

Cuan

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Daykie    10
Daykie

I have emailed them and asked them to contact community watch directly but you can rest assured that these really are illegal. Even logically it's impossible that all 300 of the game's creators could possibly get their due when the whole cart is selling for the price of one brand new cart from musica or game.

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qball    10
qball

Thanks, please forward their contact details via PM to me, we will investigate further.

 

Kind regards

Cuan

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MsPlod    10
MsPlod

Faithful bidders...???

 

It also appears that this seller has some very regular faithful bidders who bid regularly but don't often get lucky enough to win the auction...:confused:

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MsPlod    10
MsPlod
The ratings for this users look very suspect. Shillbidders perhaps?

 

All ratings received by beasty01 on bidorbuy.co.za

 

All ratings received by nadia79 on bidorbuy.co.za

Yup - those are the keen followers I spotted - tend to bid on auctions with another bidder in between... Sometimes with one or two other keen followers thrown in for good measure - fabulous support group...

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kebs    10
kebs

Hi Cuan, just wondering of you have heard anything? I know the sites these are ordered from & asked one of them if they were originals - they replied to say they were "3rd party". I can PM you one of the sites if you need?

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Daykie    10
Daykie

3rd party... haha. I'll remember that. Almost as good as "backups".

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qball    10
qball

I have also left a telephonic message for the Nintendo contact at the company, no return phone call as yet.

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Daykie    10
Daykie

Hmmm well maybe they aren't so interested in combating piracy then. :confused: There is no doubt that those carts are a violation of intellectual property rights but if the holders don't police them I guess there's not much one can do.

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Daykie    10
Daykie

The Reply I got says that Samantha is responsible for PR etc and the actual person to contact is a Kate Kearney who is on leave until tomorrow.

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qball    10
qball

I have mailed the General Manager as well, hoping for a reply soon. I left a message for Kate, that's obviously why they haven't contacted me back yet...

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Daykie    10
Daykie

So I hear that Nintendo Europe has now contacted bidorbuy and requested these to be removed, is that correct?

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qball    10
qball

Yes, that is correct. We are busy assisting them with this matter.

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BobPhillips    10
BobPhillips

I think this seller might be trying there luck again. I asked a question if they are definitely original games and the question wasn't answered and got deleted I think. They have this games listed seperatly this time and say they are "new version". Maybe someone should check it out?

 

As a side note 70 rand for one game is quite too much for normal post.

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qball    10
qball

I have asked Nintendo to look at the listings and advise us accordingly.

 

R70 Speed Services counter to counter is about right, I think they charge R66 for delivery for non documents.

 

Kind regards

Cuan

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BobPhillips    10
BobPhillips

Very suspicious now

 

PLease can we call for a full investigation of this seller now? I got suspicious 2 weeks ago when my question was deleted with out reply and then found this thread on the forums when I was considering posting my own. Then last week I was outbid by someone with low ratings who has only ever bought from them.

 

Other DS Games - NEW SUPER MARIO (LATEST VERSION) was sold for R247.00 on 3 Sep at 14:02 by Games4U in Pietermaritzburg (ID:25706643)

 

Now this week I bid extremely high to try and win something and see for myself if they are legitimate and got outbid despite the crazy price:

 

Other DS Games - YOSHI'S ISLAND for sale in Pietermaritzburg (ID:25915055)

Other DS Games - MARIO HOOPS 3 ON 3 (LATEST VERSION) for sale in Pietermaritzburg (ID:25915185)

 

Look at the questions and answers for both of those as well. I invited them to come on here and prove the authenticity of the games. Surely this is walking like a duck, and quacking like one now?

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MagicMoments    10
MagicMoments

I agree with Bobphilips, there is something funny going on here, they had about 5 or 6 DS games listed, I also asked if they were original, was told that they are not Nintendo Specialist and that the games are shipped directly from their supplier they do not handle the games, that said, surely you as a seller should know if your supplier is selling you original games or "High Quality Copies" :rolleyes: - as I was told by one of these suppliers when I questioned them about these games. I bid on three of their games today, was almost immediately outbid by the same Shill Bidder as mentioned above, I then bid on two more and had my bids deleted with the explanation that the seller wants to relist due to problem with listing :mad:

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old_grouse_bag    10
old_grouse_bag

Definitely dodgy...

He deleted a couple of my questions. Says the games are sealed "as received" but then says they don't acutally handle them but ship direct from a warehouse. His address is Pmb, but then says the warehouse is "here in Joburg."

AND will never give a straight answer as to whether or not these are genuine games. Guarantees that they will work, yes, but uses the excuse that he's not a Nintendo expert to dodge the question!

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qball    10
qball

Please note, Nintendo have had a look at the listings and cannot conclusively say they are fake. They would need to see a purchased item to determine this. We have removed the listings until the seller can provide us with proof of authenticity.

 

I would ask that you do not utilise the Q&A area to "attack" or "accuse" sellers of illegal activity. You are permitted to ask questions regarding the product, however, until our investigation is complete do not resort to such activity on the site.

 

Thank you.

 

Cuan

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BobPhillips    10
BobPhillips

I apollogize if I was rude to the seller and will do so categorically if they are found in the clear but I had thought I was doing the decent thing in allowing them to just back out quietly before I took it to bidorbuy.

As I see it there are three things they need too answer for.

 

1. The legality of the games. Suspicious since they were apparently previously selling fake so-many-in-one carts and the fact they seem to dodge the questions

2. The fact they admit to drop shipping and it's my understanding this is not allowed. (I am not completely sure of the rules with this one)

3. The suspicious bidding activity with shell bidding and deleted bids

 

It would seem looking at this forum that even one of these is usually enough to arouse suspicion but all three together should surely mean something is going on?

 

As for proof I'd suggest asking someone who has actually recieved a game (not someone who's only bought from them before) to send photos of what they recieved, since if I was knowingly selling fakes I would never send an actual photo. It will be very clear if they are fakes by what's in the manual, the sticker on the front of the game and the writing on the back of the box and cart. So I am sorry if I mistakinly colored them as a bad apple but the evidence is very compelling, in future i will try to stick with the status quo.

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qball    10
qball

Thank you for your reply. That is why we are investigating further, with the assistance of Nintendo. Even photo's would not be sufficient proof. Nintendo would need to see the physical item to determine the authenticity. Or the seller must provide is with proof of authenticity, if this cannot be produced, the seller will not be permitted to relist the items for sale.

 

Kind regards

Cuan

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Daykie    10
Daykie

Hmmm, I'm not sure but there are some ds games on auction today that do look suspiciously like the games being sold before but with a member that joined today only.

Can someone at BOB please check it out, I mean obviously it could be a genuine new seller but the timing is unfortunate. One seller gets stopped from selling games, a few weeks a later a new member joins and sells similar games. Apologies if I'm wrong!

 

Other DS Games - Yoshi' Island 2 for sale in Johannesburg (ID:26428382)

Other DS Games - New Super Mario for sale in Johannesburg (ID:26429217)

Other DS Games - Mario Cart DS for sale in Johannesburg (ID:26428923)

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admin    0
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FunHouse001 (no ratings) Blacklisted

 

Thank you Daykie and Cuan :wink:

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