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Just a suggestion in the vintage toy section.

 

We have the following columns that users are using to list collectable dolls.

If users are looking to buy vintage dolls they are we listed randomly under the following columns

 

1) Listed under antiques and collectables

Sub categries

There are over 40 items that should be in the toy section listed under various sub categories in the antique section.

A) Other antiques and collectables

B) Ornaments and figures

C) Under furniture (This is dolls furniture)

D) Under textiles (70's Costume doll (Traditional country)

 

These dolls vary in type and age.There are 1)Modern collectable porcelain dolls

2)Pre-war

3) post-war

4) Traditional dolls (Not play dolls (tourist dolls)

5)Victorian dump dolls

6)Half dolls(Used on top of tea cosies or pin cushions

 

The above can also be found in the toys and hobbies section under three differant sub-categories.

 

1)Collectable toys

2)under dolls

3) Under Vintage toys

 

The dolls are scattered all over the place --Most plastic dolls were made in the 50's and early 60's but this sub category is under dolls with brats and barbies etc.

 

Most of the dolls listed at the moment should fall under these categories and sub categories

 

1) Pre-war dolls

a) Antique porcelain dolls

b)Victorian dump dolls

c) Half dolls

d)Celluloid dolls

 

2)Post war dolls

a)Composition dolls

b)Celluloid dolls

c) 50's 60's Plastic dolls

d) Rubber or (Vinyl dolls)

e) 70's and 80's

f) Traditional dolls (Costume dolls made for tourists)--not play dolls

 

There are a number of sub catergories that could be used in 1) and 2) above--even early barbie dolls would fall under late 50's 60's as the first Barbies were made in 1958.

 

The 2 above categories could fall under the Vintage toy category and this category could have a category for other vintage toys Like tin toys etc. For users who may have a vintage doll but be a bit unsure of the age or category to list it under we could have"Other Vintage dolls"

 

3)Modern dolls

a) Reproduction porcelain dolls

b) Bratz,Barbies etc.

 

 

Under all these categories or age type there are dolls accessories,dolls furniture etc etc which could fall under their own categories.The vintage toy section could cater for these items.

 

For some reason or other it seems that users including myself prefer to use the antiques and collectables column for listing old dolls.

 

BEARS The bears should be listed under vintage toys and the modern reproductions under modern toys.

There are various well known bear makers where bears could be listed under sub categories.

 

Both antique vintage and modern bears have well known makers but the old and modern bears are also presently in the incorrect categories. There are users on Bob, I know of.who have some knowledge of the modern bear makers.

 

Perhaps other users have other suggestions.Presently they are scattered all over the place and need to be combined in their correct categories.

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Craig

Hi geewhizz

 

Thanks for your messages and this forum post. Johan and I have also had a chat and we'll have a good look at it this week.

 

If there are any other suggestions, please go ahead and post them here :-)

 

Regards

Craig

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michaus

I agree, it is difficult at present to know where to list vintage toys or where to look for them. A clearer system of classification might also serve as an incentive for more sellers to list vintage toys.

It might be a good idea to name the first classification under pre-war Antique Dolls, “Porcelain and Bisque Dolls.”

In the Antiques section, a section called Juvenilia with categories: Dolls, Bears, Tin Toys, Books and Ephemera, etc is another possibility. Doll and Teddy Bear collectors tend also to collect related objects. If these were listed together in the antiques section under, say “Juvenilia,” collectors would know exactly where to go to find them.

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Little Miss Muffet

Michaus I think Juvenlia is rather a "Highclass" British word to use in South Africa. It certainly may send users to the category to find out what it is all about.

The more I think about this toy and hobby category The more I think we should have a seperate category on the home page.

"Toys and hobbies --modern"and

" Toys and hobbies"--vintage.

Obviously there are vintage Barbie's,vintage cars,vintage tin toys,smurfs,action men and a host of other vintage toys that would have to have their own category on the two pages but sooner or later it will fall into place once users use the right page.I agree with Michaus childrens books are sought after items by toy collectors and should be included in the toy section especially the vintage books.

They should be seperately entirely.

Most people who list a toy have bought it somewhere and have a pretty good idea whether it is modern or vintage.

I often look at the toy section on Ebay and it is a mess. I could never understand why Ebay never seperated these two.

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ANTIKTOKTOY

Vintage Toys

 

Pam..you are correct in saying that we need to streamline Toys and Hobbies... especially when it comes to Dolls and Bears

Some are listed in Vingate toys and other in Antiques and collectibles and this makes it difficult to find as sellers dont know which category to list them in.

Maybe we should add the following .. like Modern, Vintage, Antique & Other to the Dolls and Bears category

Some sellers are not sure if the doll or bear they list ..is Vintage or Antique or not really sure what the doll or bear is made of....and then this is where Other comes in in that spesific category.

I hope this makes sense to other doll and bear collectors/sellers out there.

Antiktoktoy

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michaus

This is an afterthought. From my limited experience in this country it would appear that of collectors of teenage dolls, there are more that collect Sindy than Barbie. A separate category devoted to Sindy Dolls might encourage more sellers to list them, resulting in turn in more doll collectors joining the Bid or Buy fraternity. Michaus

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Little Miss Muffet

I am going to have a look at the toy column sometime today and extract the catergories which I think apply to vintage toys i.e Action toys,Barbie section etc and was wondering if Michaus and others could do the same as they may spot something that I miss.

I still think a sub-category on the home page "Toys and hobbies" Modern and vintage should be seperated.

Users may continue to list vintage toys under antiques and a vintage toy link that takes them to the toys and hobbies --Vintage--- may be an idea.

 

There are barbie's then there are Barbie's

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Little Miss Muffet

I have been through the dolls listed in all categories and I dont think the qualty and quantity warrant a seperate section for antique and vintage toys right now.

Whether having one will encourage more users to sell the items --who knows.

Nevertheless, I think dolls and bears need to be divided into the vintage and modern categories.

Users will continue to list these items in the antique column so keeping them in their categories is another thing.

 

There are far too many modern collectable dolls in the sub-catergory "other antiques" column which should not be there.

They should be in the Toys and hobbies section.

If I had to add a category to the doll section I would definately add "Junk dolls" This is what we find in the antique column.

they should not be there.

 

Take for instance ID 24542690 These dolls were made a long time after this maker was dead and gone.

Where this user got this information beats me.

 

Armand Marseille was one of the top German porcelain antique doll makers.

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Craig

What about the bears?

 

Hi Everyone,

 

Thank you for your posts here over the last few days. I think while very detailed, some of the suggestions I've received are a little too detailed for the time being, but as content grows, we can always review the structure again. We're having a good look at the dolls category and we have some exciting changes to show you soon.

 

Could you please also have a look at something else though..

What are your thoughts on the current bears Category?

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Little Miss Muffet

Of 209 items under bears 18 are vintage bears.--50's and earlier--The 60's bears were not made with movable arms and legs so I would classify vintage as 50's and earlier.

Under vintage toys there are 3 bears.

I think either have modern bears under the bear column and vintage bears 50's and earlier under the same column.

The problem here is that there are modern collectable bears and sort after makers but they must be seperated from the older bears

 

I have a problem with the collectable toy category having dolls or bears under it.

I think the bears and dolls should be under either the doll column with modern and vintage dolls seperated or otherwise have the vintage dolls under vintage toys with their sub-catergories VINTAGE TOYS

1)Bears

2)Dolls

3)Tin toys and whatever and the collectable toy column can be used for smurfs,disney.my pony etc.

Also vintage barbies should go under vintage toys "Barbies 50' and 60's"

 

If the vintage dolls are listed under dolls then users are going to continue to use the vintage toy column or antiques and collectables.

SO HERE WE HAVE 4 PLACES TO LIST COLLECTABLE OR VINTAGE DOLLS

1)Collectable toys

2)Dolls

3)Vintage toys

4)Antiques and collectables. I am sure if VINTAGE dolls and bears are listed under VINTAGE TOYS users would stop using these other 3.

A link on the homepage "Antiques and collectables" sub category "Vintage toys" linking to the "Toys and hobby" page would be a good idea

There are ofcourse collectable dolls from the 70's and 80's but they can have their own category under dolls or Vintage toys but I consider vintage as no later than 60's but someone who grew up in the 70's and 80's may see this differantly.

There are also "Modern reproduction porcelain dolls" which I think should be listed as they are now under"Dolls" but instead of "Porcelain dolls" they should be"Modern porcelain dolls" so that users dont list "Vintage Porcelain dolls" under that category.

Vintage as used in the U.K. is something that is really valuable and not something from the 40's 50's 60's but there seems to be differant schools of thought on this. I hope Bob can sort it out.

 

 

HOPE I HAVEN"T TALKED ANYONE INTO CIRCLES.

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michaus

In the UK, and I would imagine in America, “Vintage” when applied to collectables is not indicative that it is prior to 1950/60/70 or whatever. “Vintage” implies that it is not antique, e.g. not older than 100 years and of sufficiently high quality and value to consider it collectable. There is a massive collectors market in vintage clothing. This includes the designs of the 1990’s and even later. Would anybody in their right mind list a second hand Woolworths’ sweater from the 1950’s as vintage? Surely not! A frock designed by (say) Viviane Westwood in the year 2000 would qualify as “vintage” and get sold as such at antiques fairs by a specialist “Antique and Vintage” clothing dealer as a “Vintage Viviane Westwood.” To enter into semantic quibbling over the precise meaning of words such as “Vintage,” seems pedantic and pointless to me.

 

Apart from the odd Dolls House doll, none of the dolls I have seen listed on Bid or Buy under “Vintage toys” as “Porcelain Doll” was in fact made of porcelain. A porcelain doll is a glazed doll.

 

The majority of dolls advertised as “Plastic Doll” on Bid or Buy are in fact “Vinyl Dolls.” Doll collectors, in the main, are not ignorant. Unless they buy on impulse because it is “cute,” they do their homework. Far more serious are sellers deliberately trying to deceive buyers, as happened about 18 months ago. If my memory serves me right, several of us responded through the “ask buyer a question” and the items were removed fairly swiftly.

 

If sellers are honest in their descriptions, I see no problem with the “Vintage Toys” section in its present form. The alternative would be to set an agreed dateline of say Pre- and Post War dolls. I seem to remember this was the case on EBay at one time.

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Craig

Some changes coming soon

 

The majority of dolls advertised as “Plastic Doll” on Bid or Buy are in fact “Vinyl Dolls.” ... Far more serious are sellers deliberately trying to deceive buyers, as happened about 18 months ago. If my memory serves me right, several of us responded through the “ask buyer a question” and the items were removed fairly swiftly.

 

If sellers are honest in their descriptions, I see no problem with the “Vintage Toys” section in its present form. The alternative would be to set an agreed dateline of say Pre- and Post War dolls. I seem to remember this was the case on EBay at one time.

 

I think that on the whole many of the sellers are not deliberately trying to mislead buyers but may perhaps not understand fully what they have, especially if the categories available to them are not clear.

 

I don't see us going into Pre- and Post War dolls, but I do agree with the posts here that we do need to add some more categories to make it easier for sellers to list correctly. Certainly adding a vintage section (pre 1970's) under dolls and an antique (say pre 1930's) would give the space for those to be listed more appropriately. We'll make quite a few more additions as well. These should be done by the end of this week or early next week. We'll make a post on the forum regarding the changes :-)

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