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The Crafts Section is Being Stitched, Glittered & Glued

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Natalie_R

Hi Everyone,

 

We're making some structural changes to the Crafts section on bidorbuy. We've moved some categories around, added some new ones and re-named a couple to create a more encompassing and extensive Crafts category.

 

You can see the category here.

We're very excited to bring you a fuller and more exciting Crafts section, so have a look!:)

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Cali Craft and Gems

Hi

 

From a bead seller's point of view, the new change for the bead section is terrible!!!

 

When the change was brought about a long while ago, we fought tooth and nail just to get those sub-categories, now it's changed again.

 

With so many thousands of items listed, it is far easier and more practical for multiple subsections - almost like the Gemstone category. Currently, under Glass Beads alone there are over 32 pages to go through, and findings has 31 pages without being split! An absolute nightmare and I would give up after page 5 already!

 

I suggest (and am opening this to suggestions from other bead buyers and sellers):

 

Findings (all the small bits and pieces - crimps, jumprings, clasps, etc)

Tools & Threads (all tools, tigertail, elastic, etc)

Natural beads (seeds, wood, pearls, shell, etc)

Glass beads (normal, Indian, etc)

Swarovski beads (all sorts including pendants)

Vintage beads

Metal beads (charms and metal spacers could fall into this category being metal products)

Other beads (pandora, etc - not the regular beads but specialised)

Accessories (everything that does not have a specific category)

Kits (for the "mixed" selection)

Charms & watch faces

Packaging & display (packets, display items, etc)

 

The above list is a real minimum as the list can be endless (just look at the supplier websites for a rough idea and you'll run out of space!).

 

It will make things so much easier and more practical for buyers as currently they have to sift through stacks of listings, which in turn drops the income as some buyer's just don't have the time to "browse" (or search)!

 

Your kind consideration would be most sincerely appreciated!

 

From a concerned bead seller & buyer,

Cali Craft & Gems

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MsPlod

Seconded!

 

Hi

 

From a bead seller's point of view, the new change for the bead section is terrible!!!

 

When the change was brought about a long while ago, we fought tooth and nail just to get those sub-categories, now it's changed again.

 

With so many thousands of items listed, it is far easier and more practical for multiple subsections - almost like the Gemstone category. Currently, under Glass Beads alone there are over 32 pages to go through, and findings has 31 pages without being split! An absolute nightmare and I would give up after page 5 already!

 

I suggest (and am opening this to suggestions from other bead buyers and sellers):

 

Findings (all the small bits and pieces - crimps, jumprings, clasps, etc)

Tools & Threads (all tools, tigertail, elastic, etc)

Natural beads (seeds, wood, pearls, shell, etc)

Glass beads (normal, Indian, etc)

Swarovski beads (all sorts including pendants)

Vintage beads

Metal beads (charms and metal spacers could fall into this category being metal products)

Other beads (pandora, etc - not the regular beads but specialised)

Accessories (everything that does not have a specific category)

Kits (for the "mixed" selection)

Charms & watch faces

Packaging & display (packets, display items, etc)

 

The above list is a real minimum as the list can be endless (just look at the supplier websites for a rough idea and you'll run out of space!).

 

It will make things so much easier and more practical for buyers as currently they have to sift through stacks of listings, which in turn drops the income as some buyer's just don't have the time to "browse" (or search)!

 

Your kind consideration would be most sincerely appreciated!

 

From a concerned bead seller & buyer,

Cali Craft & Gems

 

As a bead and craft buyer - Please heed the call for well identified categories! Thank you CaliCraft for taking the time to tease out the items!!

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lilythepink

As an avid beader, I totally support Cali's call for properly identified categories! Please!

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RAG Auctioneers

We noticed that needlecraft section is gone?

We had quite a number of items under this section.

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Natalie_R

The Crafts Category is still being Stitched, Glittered and Glued!

 

Hi Everyone,

 

As I said, this section is still under construction.

 

The new subcategories are actually very similar to the suggestion given by Cali Crafts & Gems. In fact, I think they are actually even more detailed.

 

It may be that these new sections are not showing up on the main page just yet because there are no current listings in them.

 

Due to the move around, your current listings (if for example you listed a beading crimp) will remain in the category to which you allocated it initially (e.g. Beading & Jewellery - Findings) and not automatically move to the new, more specific category (e.g. Beading & Jewellery - Findings- Crimps & End Beads).

 

We've turned Needle Crafts into a new main parent category under crafts so that we could add things like embroidery, cross-stiching etc. Have a look for it there.

 

Please note that newly created subcategories will not show up on the Crafts Main page if there are no listings in them.

 

So, crafts sellers, take advantage of the new sections and fill them up!

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Cali Craft and Gems

Hi

 

Now that I've gone in to edit the listings do I see all the "new" sub-categories - great!

 

Only problem is that I've got 900+ listings to edit... there goes my weekend!

 

CCG

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Cali Craft and Gems

PS. Just four sub-category suggestions so far:

 

Findings - Headpins & Eyepins

Beads - Metal beads

Watch faces & bookmarks

Beads - Acrylic & lucite beads (this will include novelty beads which there are stacks of currently clogging up "other beads"!)

 

Under Cord, Thread & Wire, could this please change to: Chain, Cord, Thread & Wire

 

Under Boards & Trays, could this please change to: Boards, Mats & Trays

 

Also, Swarovski beads, could this be split? Bicone beads, round beads, hearts, pendants, other shapes. Would help a lot! Thanks.

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RAG Auctioneers

Looking awesome.

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sungems
Hi

 

I suggest (and am opening this to suggestions from other bead buyers and sellers):

 

Findings (all the small bits and pieces - crimps, jumprings, clasps, etc)

Tools & Threads (all tools, tigertail, elastic, etc)

Natural beads (seeds, wood, pearls, shell, etc)

Glass beads (normal, Indian, etc)

Swarovski beads (all sorts including pendants)

Vintage beads

Metal beads (charms and metal spacers could fall into this category being metal products)

Other beads (pandora, etc - not the regular beads but specialised)

Accessories (everything that does not have a specific category)

Kits (for the "mixed" selection)

Charms & watch faces

Packaging & display (packets, display items, etc)

 

 

PLEASE just do change the wording of this category from Swarovski beads to Crystal beads > Although Swarovski is a good quality crystal it is more like a household brand name in crystal but, do not limit crystal beads to be the only good quality crystal cut bead available. To exclude other crystal beads from such a category is the same as to say Adidas can be listed under brand name shoes but Nike should be listed under standard ordinary shoes.

Swarovski is just the name of the company manufacturing/cutting the crystalSwarovski AG of Wattens in Austriaand not a crystal that is better or more valuable as other crystals

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lilythepink

Sungems is perfectly correct. Crystal beads would be the best way to word the entire category.

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Cali Craft and Gems

As a bead seller I tend to disagree with the "renaming" of Swarovski beads as there ARE cheap imitations of Swarovski which could easily fall into the "crystal beads" category and there will be many unhappy / angered buyers! All other crystal beads would fall under 'Glass beads'.

 

In order of "value" or quality:

Swarovski

Preciosa

Fire-polished

 

Swarovski should therefore be left in a category totally of it's own - there is simply NO comparison!

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tipisa
PLEASE just do change the wording of this category from Swarovski beads to Crystal beads > Although Swarovski is a good quality crystal it is more like a household brand name in crystal but, do not limit crystal beads to be the only good quality crystal cut bead available. To exclude other crystal beads from such a category is the same as to say Adidas can be listed under brand name shoes but Nike should be listed under standard ordinary shoes.

Swarovski is just the name of the company manufacturing/cutting the crystalSwarovski AG of Wattens in Austriaand not a crystal that is better or more valuable as other crystals

WE agree Swarovski is good quality but you do get other crystal that is just the same or even better

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Cali Craft and Gems

And the call / support for the non-Swarovski category is from sellers who do NOT trade in Swarovski products!

 

We go to great lengths to get the GENUINE product in and do NOT mislead our buyers!

 

Stating that the genuine product is the same as the cheap imitation product is like stating that horrible processed cheese falls into the same quality grade as the 6 month+ matured top grade cheddar!

 

There is simply NO comparison!

 

To enforce my belief or standards, I invite you to go browse any of the top bead suppliers - locally and internationally. Every single one lists the imitations SEPERATELY from the Swarovski!

 

PS. Cali Craft is known as the only supplier in SA with the largest colour spectrum of Swarovski bicone beads - thus beating even the top retailers (and suppliers)! I get my Swarovski's directly from overseas thus ensuring I offer the 100% GENUINE product!

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lilythepink

Hi Cali. I am NOT a trader in beads, just a buyer, so my call for Swavrovski not to be a special item has no ill-intentions, I promise. My feeling is that, yes, there are other crystal beads which equal the Swavrovski ones. And, if one specifically wants Swavrovski beads, one can just call them up in the "find" window and all ads with Swavrovski in them will come up for buyers. If BoB offer a special section for Swavrovski then they will have to do the same for "Pandora", et al, if there is to be fairness and this will make the bead section very "heavy".

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Cali Craft and Gems

I understand where you are coming from completely, but there IS a bead seller on BoB who has sent me non-Swarovski items before where she had listed the beads as Swarovski! (round beads that I wanted for a short-notice personal project - not for retail.) I'm not going to mention names, but she knows who she is!

 

The only guarantee that you are going to be getting the genuine product is if the seller buys the Swarovski beads from a registered Swarovski supplier (as we do)! As a seller you should know if the supplier is offering the genuine product or not - the price is the dead giveaway! The suppliers charge dearly on the genuine Swarovski's and as such they carry the smallest mark up of any of our bead items - sometimes only about 5c per bead profit! (and there are some colours that are actually sold below cost as to keep the retail price in line with the others - example being the Brandy, Chilli Pepper and Crystal Verde shades!)

 

You do get the dishonest bead seller / sellers on BoB who will list a non-Swar product as the genuine item (with the matching price), yet don't get the genuine product in themselves. Whether they know or realise they are doing this is another story entirely as perhaps their supplier is misleading them too! (same story with some gemstones!)

 

I guess that at the end of the day it will be the buyer who gets the "real thing" or not - depending on who they buy from. And only those who know what to look for (trademarks of the real product that vary from the imitation product - the international suppliers have a tutorial section based just on this!) will know if they get the genuine product - that is how I picked up the issue with the other bead seller.

 

But as far as the category being renamed, I still stand my ground!

 

Regards,

CCG

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sungems

We did not imply to sell other crystals under the name Swarovski just that all crystal be listed under a crystal category. That is why we suggested that all crystals should have a fare change. Each listing can still reflect if it is a Swarovski or what ever other crystal bead. If a seller sells a non-Swarovski bead as Swarovski, the category in which it is listed will have no affect on that seller. If they want to be misleading in there listing it can be listed in any category. To deny sellers that do sell crystal beads the fair change to have there items listed under a category that is more correct than just glass bead is not fare but put the Swarovski bead sellers in a unfair advantage

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linajezile
I understand where you are coming from completely, but there IS a bead seller on BoB who has sent me non-Swarovski items before where she had listed the beads as Swarovski! (round beads that I wanted for a short-notice personal project - not for retail.) I'm not going to mention names, but she knows who she is!

 

You were making such a strong case against the category being changed therefore I were wondering why as it is a good idea. Accept for the beads, you are also buying a lot of items from various sellers that you yourself are selling, why it seems you do buy your goods directly form the main source and if you did buy fake crystal beads why give them a positive rating.

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Cali Craft and Gems
Accept for the beads, you are also buying a lot of items from various sellers...

 

There is nothing to state that a seller cannot buy anything from another seller! Besides, the beads I purchase from other sellers are for my private collection as it will cause a logistical nightmare if I take items out of my stock! And as for the Gems I buy, most are for my private collection, but when that starts overflowing or if I can replace an item with a better specimen, then I thin it out and sell the "unwanted" gem.

 

you did buy fake crystal beads why give them a positive rating.

 

If you take the time to go through my ratings given to sellers, you will actually see that those particular transactions were NOT rated at all. I approached the seller via email with the problem and it was solved without mudslinging! I could not give a positive rating, but also refused to rate poorly based on the issue being resolved.

 

lot of items from various sellers that you yourself are selling, why it seems you do buy your goods directly form the main source...

 

Some of the bead items are sourced from South African suppliers, and most of the BoB bead sellers buy directly from the same suppliers. Just specific items I import directly as to ensure the authenticity of the product - besides it actually works out cheaper overall even with import taxes, etc compared to buying locally!

 

I still have several thousand various beads and bead items to list which are NOT available at any other current supplier - I bought out a few bead shops that closed down over the years and those items have not been available to the public for years! The BoB beaders are going to be in for a real treat soon!

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Cali Craft and Gems

Ok. So the Swarovski category is now renamed and these expensive beads now fall into a common "crystal" category... I give up trying to fight that battle.

 

BUT! Since you're in the throws of changing categories and their names, please do the following:

 

Firstly, cultured and freshwater pearls can become ONE single subcategory as they're practically the same thing. (the same principle that has been followed by calling Swarovski's plain crystal beads)

 

Then, add (which is desperately required but constantly overlooked):

* Metal beads (these are not spacers but actual beads made of metal products like fluted rounds, filligree balls, stardust balls, etc)

 

* Findings - Headpins & Eyepins

 

* Watch faces & bookmarks

 

* Beads - Acrylic & lucite beads (this will include novelty beads which there are stacks of currently clogging up "other beads"!)

 

* Under Cord, Thread & Wire, could this please change to: Chain, Cord, Thread & Wire

 

* Under Boards & Trays, could this please change to: Boards, Mats & Trays

 

~~~

 

Your co-operation in the above would be most sincerely appreciated! Some of these requests were made upon the initial category change a few years ago, but never implemented!

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qball

Please stay on topic, please do not discuss issues with other sellers or buyer buyers here.

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lilythepink

These last suggestions of Cali's are definitely worthwhile, speaking from my perch vantage point as a buyer!

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BeadsandBaubles
Then, add (which is desperately required but constantly overlooked):

* Metal beads (these are not spacers but actual beads made of metal products like fluted rounds, filligree balls, stardust balls, etc)

 

Oh yes! Pretty, pretty please. :D

 

* Beads - Acrylic & lucite beads (this will include novelty beads which there are stacks of currently clogging up "other beads"!)

 

I agree wholeheartedly!

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Cali Craft and Gems

@ the BoB team:

 

Any feedback on the extra sub-categories or changes?

 

This is rather urgent as some sellers are already inserting items in the WRONG categories just to get exposure! Example headpins /eyepins under thread & wire instead of findings!!!

 

Some people just don't care!

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BeadandCraft Studio
@ the BoB team:

 

Any feedback on the extra sub-categories or changes?

 

This is rather urgent as some sellers are already inserting items in the WRONG categories just to get exposure! Example headpins /eyepins under thread & wire instead of findings!!!

 

Some people just don't care!

 

 

That would be me.I spent the whole weekend deleting every single listing of mine,to incorporate the new features,however some items,by mistake did go to the wrong categories while using the picklist.I am in the process of sorting this mess out,though will take me a couple of days,to go through everything and its not just those items,a few other items too.I do aplogise if this has inconvenienced anyone,it was not intentional.Also headpins/eyepins does not have a separate category,as jumprings do,so which category would be appropriate.Anyone from the BoB team.

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