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  1. 5 points
    Hi Guys, Although I have been trading as a seller on BoB for a few years, I have only recently joined the forum. Generally trading in Militaria and Antiques. Not one of the bigger sellers, and not really one for voicing my opinion, but the new rate structure does not leave me much of a choice. Like most of you, I am not happy with the new rates quoted as effect 1 March 2018, but I do have a few questions: 1) What is the standard warning period for a price increase? I received my mail from BoB on the 12th of Feb 2018 as I am sure most of us did. This does not even make a full months warning till implementation. Important to note that BoB have not had a yearly increase in fees for at least the last 4 years (As far as I know), so would have expected a bit more warning from their side. 2) In my listing categories a jump in fees from 5% to 9.975%, basically double, even when not taking into account the new shipping charge. How do you justify this? 3) Quoting fees excluding vat where your previous rate card had all including. This is misleading and leaves us comparing apples with pears. 4) Charging a fee on postage and packaging costs? This is a service provided by sellers to their customers and BoB has absolutely no input in this, how can you expect to receive an income for something you have no part in? This is unethical. Then you still charge VAT on top of this charge? Postage already includes VAT. Charging VAT on VAT is fraud, even if only on a portion of it, is it not? 40% of my sales are international with postage ranging from R80 to R6000 (Most expensive parcel I have sent), I can’t afford losing/subsidising 6.555% of this on items I only make a 20% profit. 5) Listing enhancement fees are unchanged? With all the new charges, you seem to have missed an area? 6) Listing Fee Rate card (Including Classifieds)? Looks like a sneaky one? This does not fall in my categories, and I don’t know if I am understanding this incorrectly. Let’s use the example of Cell phones and accessories. According to the Listing Fee rate card, all items listed in this category will incur a R50 listing fee weather sold or not. This is over and above the success fees. Does this mean a Cell Phone Charger listed for R30, the buyer would have to pay R50 for listing, R1.97 as a success fee and R3.28 on postage (if R50 was charged on postage)? This is assuming no Listing enhancements were selected? This is worrying as it will only be a matter of time before these Listing fees will be implemented across all categories? 7) What happens to items sold in February but orders and payments only completed in March? Do these fall under Feb or March fees? I know on my side buyers do not all pay on time. 8) Payment Fees for various payment options? I don’t know how most of you fellow sellers receive your payments, but I generally have BoB EFT, Cash Deposits and Payment via BoBBucks? The only options quoted on the old rate card as attached to the new rates are: BoBPay Credit Card, Discovery Miles, Bitcoin, Mobicred, Snapscan and SCode. Other than credit card (BoBBucks) I can’t think that I have ever had a request for any of the other as payment option. Saying that the increase is partially due to incorporating these costs into the success fee is a bit ridiculous. 9) Why are BoB not responding to the mails on the forum, am I not looking in the right places? 10) The thing that draws people to BoB has always been the affordable rates. With this price increase, I might as well go back to Ebay. BoB will have to do something from their side as losing their sellers is something that will cost them in the long run. Look, I understand that BoB have to bring in an increase in their fees, but sure wish they would have done so gradually over a period of time and not in one big shot leaving us all in shock. I do hope that they will be listening to their Sellers and hopefully together we can come to some sort of agreement or compromise. Thanks for reading. Regards, Tinus Conradie
  2. 5 points
    As a loyal member of the Bidorbuy community, I do understand that there will be a yearly increase in fees. I would expect something in the region of 6% to 8%. This would be in line with the current inflation rate. Your increase in the basic rate is at 99%. I find this very hard to accept.. In addition to this, you are also charging a commission on the postage charged. This brings your rate increase to ABOVE 100%. You are going to kill the goose that lays your golden eggs. Please let me know how you arrived at such a VAST increase in your charges, or maybe you have made a error.
  3. 4 points
    "Some users in this thread have pointed out that the fee structure is still considerably less that other marketplaces" - Which marketplaces? Last I checked Takelot's core business is not in the least the same as bob. They merely offer marketplace related services with a whole lot more benefits that of bob. And to correct you there, It's not "some users", it's one user. Who may or may not be planted, based on the statements made which contrast EVERY other contribution made on this thread"
  4. 3 points
    i SUGGEST a flat RATE OF 5.5% ON FINAL ORDER FEE and scrap all these complicated fee structures,similar to ebay but less % as we get less bang for our buck. OR increase the flat rate to 6% excluding the shipping and address the sellers making money of postage and not contributing to bobs coffers meaningfully. I understand the need for bob to get commission on the R1 vendors making money off postage and that they cannot moniter it or address it due to various factors On a R100 order and basic register mail at R40 THE difference in fees due to bob will be an increase of 64%(as per this example,can differ on the type of postage and combning of orders etc but can be more or little less depending on amount of postage charged,but then bob covers all bases. This is already a huge increase but can be absorbed between buyers and sellers and make things simple,not complicated Listing fees are another area needs attention,some innovation required here and some incentives to top sellers in each category and some decisions need to be made on amount of listings for free that just fill the site with rubbish thats a story for another day...
  5. 3 points
    This is not to stop excessive fees,its a moneygrab so BOB can get a commission on the R1 sellers that charge high postage and make their income off this postage,and BOB gets 5c . We have raised this many times but bob has been unable to address this or unwilling as these sellers are mainly selling on promotional auctions and to take them to task would make BOB lose the listing fees and this new fees on postage is basically an acknowledgement by BOB that they are unable to moniter this problem or unwilling to make the effort to try and resolve this .Rather the easy way out!! That is the simple crux of the shipping commission!!!!!!!!!! AND the increase in fees is totally unacceptable,even with the positive sentiment after CR17 sona,it will be many moons before we feel the uptick in the economy. I said before that the halcyon days are past,there is no ways BOB will ever get to those numbers again,and to try and make it with these fees increases,will never happen. .
  6. 3 points
    It is shocking to see how little bidorbuy actually cares about their sellers. The people that pay their salaries at the end of the month. The bread and butter of the company. Based on total sales per month, I currently pay bidorbuy between R15K and R21K per month on success fees alone. That is excluding enhancement costs. To increase that to R27K per month is outrageous to say the least, especially if they are not even addressing any fundamental flaws in their system which currently exists. 1. The enhancement systems do not work as advertised. I pay R150 rand per item for "Premium" and "Home page" listings, to get a mere 5-14 views on the product? 2. Expecting a seller to wait 14 days to recover success fees for unpaid orders is ludicrous. Mr troll just comes along and creates a new account, quickly goes and places a R100K order without any intent to pay. "Sorry seller, you'll have to go without that R5K for 2 weeks while we cash in on the interest." 3. Occasionally a client wishes to cancel an order for any number of reasons, yet there is no way for the seller or buyer to cancel an order. Again, bob forks their success fees and expects you to wait. 4. You can remove an item out of your cart a million times, the damn thing will keep appearing again. (across platforms, so definitely not something to do with browser caching) 5. Emails regarding new orders, payments and especially buyer questions are delayed by up to an hour. Now getting back to the new fee rate card and what I believe is a fair system. 1. If you charge an excluding VAT success fee, it should be charged towards the excluding VAT total of the order, less you make profit on our VAT expense. A bit unethical don’t you think bob? 2. The fee increase should be coupled with an in-depth explanation pertaining to the added benefits this will bring to the seller. (Accepting all payments is not a benefit – In fact, 5% to accept credit card transactions was already robbery. Payfast charges a mere 3.5% to minor etailers, bob, receiving the amount of transactions it does, sure as hell does not pay that themselves) 3. An increase in your fees should be coupled with better customer support for both buyers and sellers (a lot of buyers complain about the level of service received from bidorbuy when trying to resolve even the smallest issues) 4. Feeds should be updated regularly during the day, not just once every 24 hours. Expecting a seller to lose money because your terms state “success fees for items not in stock are non-refundable” while the issue is with the feed, is not acceptable and plainly stated, robbery at the highest level. -Either this, or that clause should be removed completely. 5. The payout window should be moved to later during the day. Having a deadline of 9:00 to process the day’s payouts is ridiculous. This is probably another scheme bidorbuy is using to cash in on that sweet interest on your money, then they claim they make the funds available to a seller immediately and wonder why buyers complain about delays with orders? Maybe because we must wait 3 days before we receive the funds? Or is that just me. To end off, inflation, or any other lame excuse bob might try to throw our way to justify the increased fee is pure nonsense. As inflation rises, so does the prices of the products the sellers sell, and thus also the success fee bob generates. As a etailer I do not see the need to increase the margins on my products year after year, because the price I pay and sell at automatically corrects the inflation adjustments. And a bonus for all you folks, a little name and shame: Mr Jacques Jordaan, manager of some sort at bidorbuy claims that there is no way we as sellers make small margins on the products we sell. Clearly, he has no idea of the state of the South African market. Bidorbuy should stop trying to copy ebay and wake up and realize we live in a third-world country. You cannot compare our economic state to that of a first-world country, so why try and compare a South African company to that of one based in America. Good bye bob, I’m excitingly looking forward to seeing who will inevitably take over your market share in the coming months.
  7. 3 points
    Have sent the following through to BoB yet again..... I have little hope of a result, Even though David Berry said this is the point of the forum, and i should not create a warning auction for my clients regarding these fees. 1. the fee increase is not saving any of the sellers any money. The examples used by Johan on the Forum, assumes that all transactions are completed by a Credit Card. Which is hugely incorrect. 2. Credit cards, Discovery Miles etc, only form about 5 to 10% of our actual payments received. so increasing the fees are only increasing BoB's Income. 3. Shipping commission. This commission makes no sense. why does BoB want money from my packaging materials, my efforts. This is generating a VAT input for their TAX returns. Serves no purpose. 4. The fees are going up, but what are the sellers getting in return? There is very little, to none, advertising/ Marketing. The system is not user friendly either. 5. Previous suggestions of drag and drop, client closing an order, instead of the system closing the order, and a Zoom function for auctions have all fallen on deaf ears. for at least 2 years.. Only useless changes have been made to the System, which makes BoB seem better, but not actually 6. The top sellers list should be scrapped and rather replaced with another system based on service, and not sales. As not all sellers have the same budget for advertising on BoB. This should even the playing field, as you are only promoting your income generating sellers. Rather biased.. 7. the excuse that VAT is charged separately due to a possible govt increase in the vat rate is Bull-dust. the VAT was removed to increase the costs. R10 x 5% = 50c, vat inclusive. if you use the new structure of VAT additional - 50c plus VAT = 0.07c, ie (R0.57 commission). thus the new structure actually increases your VAT input by 14%. 8. Are sellers going to be getting listing fee vouchers in return for these new increases? or is BoB just taking more, for less? 9. Also, Sellers did not get 30 days notice of the increase, therefore the increase should only be taking effect on the 12th march 2018, as that is 4 weeks notice period. STD contract practice. 10. BoB needs Sellers as much as the Sellers need Buyers. If sellers are no longer able to be profitable on BoB, they will be moving to free platforms, like Facebook, or creating their own free selling websites like, WIX. Which is more user friendly, and easier managed than what BoB is. Seems like this is going to be the straw the breaks the Camel's back. 11. My survey from my clients revealed that they do not trust BoB as they do not know who the seller is. On FB they can see and track the seller of the items, It is not a cloak and dagger scenario as BoB. 12. BoB's million registered usernames does not mean that there are 1 million clients. BoB should realise that there is very little active buyers actually, the Wednesday Auctions reveal this fact, there are a few buyers who buy a lot. Repeat buyers. there is a gap between active and registered users. BoB should increase sales, rather than increasing fees, Increased sales, will generate more revenue, and keeps everyone happier 13. BoB feedback is very lackluster, as can be seen on my emails, and Forum questions. As you know i have been waiting 2 days for a phone call regarding this. so my account was blocked due to me creating an Advisory auction to warn clients of the increased fees that will have to be passed on to them. BoB's ineffectiveness caused it. Regarding the ruling from the ASA on Takelot, i will be approaching the NCC for a regulatory body for online sellers such as yourselves to keep an eye on fees, ethical business practices and prices.
  8. 3 points
    Stop trolling. If you want to praise the new fee structure you are welcome to start your own thread.
  9. 3 points
    Regarding Johan's statement that the commission charged on shipping fees now is to "prevent abuse of excessive shipping charges by sellers", I would like to direct everyone's attention to clause 6.3 of the listing policy which is already in place. This is 100% proof that Johan is outright lying to us, as a fair and just system to deal with excessive shipping is already in place. 6.3. Unreasonably high shipping charges on listings including insurance is not allowed. Shipping charges may only include the cost of delivery, packaging materials and insurance. bidorbuy in its sole discretion, reserves the right to charge a 5% penalty fee calculated on the total shipping amount to sellers whose shipping charges are deemed excessive, or to revoke selling privileges of infringing users. Johan, you have been called out and caught out. The system is already in place to deal with excessive shipping. We, as the collective of sellers, contend and charge that your statement is dishonest, unethical and an insult to our intelligence. You are very well aware that this is nothing more than a money grab by Bid or Buy, who have seen ebay getting away with it for years and so believe that you can get away with ripping us off the same way. There is, however, a massive difference in the base of ebay compared to Bid or Buy, both in seller and buyer base. You will find that we will not bend over and take it up the tailpipe
  10. 3 points
    Every answer given by Johan so far is nothing short of an insult to our intelligence as sellers. This is what MUST HAPPEN to satisfy the sellers who pay BoB's salaries: 1. NO CHARGES LEVIED AGAINST SHIPPING COSTS, EXCEPT FOR SELLERS WHO ABUSE THE SHIPPING AND OVERCHARGE FOR SHIPPING, AS PER THE POLICY THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. WE HONEST SELLERS WHO CHARGE ONLY OUR COST FOR DELIVERY (AND SOMETIMES EVEN LESS THAN OUR COST) REFUSE TO BE TAKEN FOR A RIDE AND BE CHARGED DUE TO A FEW USERS ABUSING THE SYSTEM. CHARGE THE ABUSERS, WE WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR UNETHICAL ACTIONS!!!!! 2. BIDORBUY MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO PENALIZE SELLERS JUST DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE PRODUCT HE/SHE IS SELLING. SAME RATES FOR ALL SELLERS, EQUAL TREATMENT!!! TAKE THE 3 DIFFERENT CHARGES BASED ON CATEGORY, ADD THEM TOGETHER AND DIVIDE BY 3, YOU GET A CHARGE OF 7.25% ACROSS THE BOARD. Johan mentioned the lower fees for categories such as computers due to them having low margins. Well how about a seller who is selling fashion jewellery, especially on the crazy R1 auctions. I can guarantee that seller's margins are no higher and probably lower than the computer sellers. But this seller now must pay double? THAT IS UNJUST AND UNACCEPTABLE. WE DEMAND THE SAME FEES PAYABLE AS ANY OTHER SELLER!!! 3 THE LISTED COMMISSION STRUCTURE AS ADVERTISED MUST ALSO INCLUDE VAT. NONE OF THIS BOLLOCKS THAT VAT IS EXCLUDED IN YOUR STATED PRICES. IT IS VERY EASY FOR YOU TO INCLUDE VAT IN YOUR ADVERTISED PRICES, SO WE DO NOT HAVE TO DO ALL THE MATH TO ADD THE VAT AFTERWARDS. EXCLUDING VAT LIKE THIS IS DONE FOR ONLY A SINGLE REASON, TO TRY AND DECEIVE SELLERS INTO BELIEVING THAT THE PRICE INCREASES ARE LESS THAN THEY REALLY ARE. DISHONEST AND UNETHICAL. I AM SURE YOU REALIZE NOW, JOHAN AND FELLOW MANAGEMENT, THAT US SELLERS ARE NOT AS STUPID AS YOU BELIEVED WE WERE AND WE VERY EASILY SEE THROUGH THIS DISHONEST PRACTICE OF TRYING TO HIDE THE REAL INCREASES BY EXCLUDING VAT. YOU SAY THAT THE OLD TIERED SYSTEM WAS COMPLICATED? WELL US AS SELLERS DISAGREE. IT WAS PERFECTLY EASY TO UNDERSTAND, AND HAS NOT CAUSED ANY PROBLEMS FOR SELLERS FOR ALL THE YEARS THAT THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN IN PLACE. I believe the rest of the sellers will agree with me that the above are our demands and we will fight until these very reasonable demands are met!!!
  11. 3 points
    These increases can not be whitewashed,BOB can still review this else they going to lose many sellers and buyers and we know what then happens. There is no way these increases are justified,most of us sellers break even at the moment and with the increases allround we going to go but one way And many of us have been on bob a long time and helped make bob successful so please listen before its too late If consultants were used then they must have been TRILLION OR MACKINSEY THIS WILL KILL BOB
  12. 3 points
    Still ignoring my question. Penalize the sellers that inflate shipping costs. Don't penalize someone like me that has no other option than to use a 3rd party courier at R111 per flyer. Email me Johan, and I will show you my courier account invoices. Now you want me to either lose money, or lose buyers because now R120 sounds ridiculous to a prospective buyer. I've been here 12 years. Bidorbuy made 6 figures out of me in the past 12 months. Look at my account. Does my opinion count for anything? Now you want to basically double my success fees (including the ridiculous final sales value) because I'm a jewellery seller?
  13. 3 points
    As a large loyal seller who has rejected many offers to bypass the system we feel very let down by BOB. We charge less than the shipping charge that we pay in order to attract customers. We will now have to pay an extra 6.55% on these fees which will have to be passed on to the customer. Not only that but we have just just over two weeks to go through our extensive stock and adjust prices to continue to make some profit! Our success fee is now going to be 9.97% + 6.55% on our shipping charges. And this business of charging rates + VAT seems as if we are trying to be conned into thinking the increases are less than they are. What upsets most people, we are sure is being charged commission on shipping charges. Perhaps a re-think BOB?
  14. 3 points
    Guys just a headsup, in the grand scheme of things almost no one is on this forum. If you want to get attention to this outrageous increase you need to spread it on Facebook, Twitter etc, any platform outside of Bidorbuy where it will get wide exposure including in the media and to the public. Go forth and disseminate the info!!
  15. 3 points
    Good Day. Putting aside the ludicrous rise in fees that I am sure is going to infuriate all of BoB's sellers and lose BoB many many sellers who bring in the money for them, clarification is required for a specific clause in the fee article; Final order value fee. The final order value fee is the fee adjustment that is charged to a seller account, calculated on the difference between the "Final order value" and the "Item sales value", multiplied by the lowest category success fee percentage, which is currently 5.75% excluding VAT. Examples: The item sales value is R1,000 for an item sold in the Music & Instruments category. Music & Instruments success fee is 5.75% of R1,000. Success fee = R57.50 + 14% VAT = R65.55 incl. VAT. The buyer makes a payment that totals R1,120. The 5.75% final order value fee is applied to R120 (the difference between the sales amount of R1,000 and the total amount paid of R1,120). Final order value fee = R6.90 + 14% VAT = R7.87 Total fees paid to bidorbuy on the final order amount of R1,120 = R65.55 + R7.87 = R73.42 incl. VAT Now, from how I read this (and I must wonder if this is very vague on purpose), is that the "difference between the "Final order value" and the "Item sales value" is actually the shipping cost for the order. In the above example, the item sale value is R1000 and the buyer has paid R1120, meaning the extra R120 is the cost of the shipping for the item. It is not very clear to be honest, but if the above assumption is correct, I assume again that the sellers will be able to include the "fee" that is charged on the shipping amount to their shipping expenses? Sellers may charge the cost of shipping according to BoB policy, and if the shipping fee is being taxed (which basically is what this is, a new tax, as if our government doesn't screw us enough with taxes already), that tax is part of the shipping expense. Or does BoB want us sellers to lose even more money by making a loss on the shipping because some of the shipping fee is now going to BoB's greedy coffers (this is on top of the huge extra amount we will already be losing with the luidicrous increase in fees). This is fast going to become unsutainable to the majority of BoB sellers who already operate on very low profit margins. But BoB needs to remember, if you put us out of business with ridiculous price increases, who do you think will follow us into bankruptcy? BoB themselves will follow. Without sellers BoB will vanish into the past. Very sad that the greed has come to this. I think it may be time for a tech-savvy member of the BoB community to program a competitor auction site for all us hard working sellers to come to when we can no longer sustain these inflated fees
  16. 2 points
    I reallly feel for the book sellers,postage already makes it difficult for sales due to high postage cost since the econoparcel was raised by SAPO a while back,and now this will break the camels back. I see BOB has now added a facility where the commission payable on the sale is shown on the order,thank you,very helpful but a few years late i think what with the new commissions being implemented soon. NOW IF THEY SHOWED THE NEW COMMISSIONS THAT WOULD BE PAYABLE SHORTLY NEXT TO THE OLD ONES SO A COMPARISON CAN BE MADE,THAT WOULD BE ENLIGHTENING!!
  17. 2 points
    I am amazed at how few buyers and sellers are aware of these new fee structures I have spoken to a few and many did not even know about this,when they did check they almost had heart attacks I also at first skipped the fee rate card and did not bother to look thinking it would be nominal or of no consequence,it was only when i read the forum posting that i went to see and saw the horrific charges to be implemented
  18. 2 points
    I've always allowed all the payment methods, it engages more buyers in my opinion - BUT (HUGE BUT!!) Bidorbuy claims it will now be cheaper because all these payment fees for Credit Card, PayPal, etc etc is lumped in with the "Final Sales Fee". That is bull, because as per my screenshot above, 5% commission of R121 is R6.05, and if the buyer paid via Credit Card, the commission on the OLD FEE STRUCTURE would be R11.73 (on total order amount R234.63). So the MAXIMUM I would have paid on the old structure is R17.78. (item commission R6.05, Credit Card commission R11.73). But wait, there's more. If this buyer does NOT pay via ANY of the "old fee incurring methods", meaning plain old EFT, then Bidorbuy scores one motherload in commission. Now I will have to pay R19.51 even if the buyer pays via EFT..... Because according to Bidorbuy this "New fee structure" is cheaper and easier to calculate....
  19. 2 points
    There is an impression that bidorbuy haven't changed their rates in years so an increase is reasonable. I disagree with that. A business that charges a percentage commission does not need to change their rates as their revenue will increase with inflation when the items that are sold on the site increase with inflation. This is really a sad situation that can be avoided though from bidorbuys feeble replies to some of the posts on this thread, and totally ignoring other posts, it would appear that there is no will to take their sellers concerns seriously.
  20. 2 points
    Antiques are becoming more and more hard to source .We do not have a source to go to when we require more stock I for one pay R1700.00 per insertion for advertising and have to recoup that before I see a profit.The public are demanding more and more for collectors items because they check prices online.I need to move away from this antique business and have started selling on Takealot to compensate.Bidorbuy are making the most difficult business category on Bidorbuy more difficult for us by charging 8,75 %. Why ?? because these categories have the largest amount of listings
  21. 2 points
    As I have posted on the Bidorbuy Facebook page as well: This commission that Bidorbuy is going to charge on shipping, will cost me an additional R21600 per year, based on the past 12 months. From me alone. For offering shipping to my buyers. I even offered to show Bidorbuy my courier statements. I charge the actual courier fee! If the package is 1cm thicker, I get charged an extra R35 by the courier company. Bidorbuy is acting is a disgraceful way and has made it very clear that they don't give a flying fk what we think.
  22. 2 points
    I would also like to suggest the following: A tool for sellers so that they can see what the fees will be before hand so that they can set the price of their items accordingly. I feel that in trying to amke the fee calculation 'smarter' it has become far more complicated, and might scare away the seller who would just like to offload all his old household items / goods. (This is the fun stuff I love to find on BoB) The price of an item is the most important thing to both a prospective buyer and seller and there should be absolutely no ambiguity or misunderstanding in how much the buyer will pay and how much the seller will receive.
  23. 2 points
    Exactly. But that is exactly what Bid or Buy is doing. This whole process from Bid or Buy smacks of greed and non-transparency
  24. 2 points
    With such a big leap in fees and now fees on the shipping amount and no updated value offering I can only assume the increase is motivated by greed/profit. This is a more accurate and correct reading of their press release : "We believe that the new fee structure, which includes all payment options, will lead to significantly improved income and more profits for Bidorbuy" There is no benefit to this fee increase for the users of Bidorbuy, unless increased poverty is a bonus no ones appreciating??!
  25. 2 points
    Mike Klee asks a very interesting question regarding the silver Scheepjesgulden that was sent to the Cape in 1803 and introduced in 1806 here as the first coins struck specifically for South Africa (Cape of Good Hope). “For a coinage that was in circulation, what happened to them all? Why aren't they found by metal-detectorists” Let me start off by saying that finding (metal detecting) ANY pre-Victorian coins in South Africa is a rare occurrence. (However, I must state that we are not talking about shipwrecked coins – they are fairly frequently found by underwater detectorists) Coins from the first quarter of the 1800s and earlier, are seldom found on dry land here. The few that I have found I could count on the fingers of one hand. My oldest was a Charles I Rose Farthing that was interestingly enough struck before Jan van Riebeeck landed at the Cape in 1652. I have also found a Dutch India Company Doit from the late 1600s or early 1700s and a 1797 Cartwheel Penny. So I have never found a silver coin dating from the period of the VOC/ Dutch occupation of the Cape (pre 1806) and even the fairly common Georgian silver coins from 1816 to 1836 were only found on the rarest of occasions – I may have found two or three. And it was not due to a lack of trying - I have detected with friends from 1997 till around 2012 on a weekly basis – sometimes we would go out twice a week and during holidays every single day finding literarily 1000s upon 1000s of coins over the period. Our detectors were set to discriminate against modern “clad” coins, so the nickel coins minted after 1964 and the cladded coins minted after 1989, were not even dug up by us But between the whole group of us (we were about 20 metal detectorists searching in the Western Cape at that time – mostly the beaches - but also other sites from time to time) pre-Victorian coins were seldom found and called for a glass of Champagne when a strike was indeed made. Obviously, in a country like England, pre-Victorian coins are found on a daily basis by hundreds of detectorists – but at the Cape in the olden days, things seem to be not the same… Here is a picture of me joining an American & Canadian group of metal detectorists on a detecting trip to England a few years ago (2010 I think) – but that is obviously a different story …
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