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Unrecorded trial strike?
CapeCurrencyCoin replied to GROOVIE COINS's topic in Coins and Notes (for the Numismatist)
Hi,it is possible that its a soft strike,the wear is certainly not even over the coins surfaces,which is often a sign of a weak or soft strike or worn dies,however that would only partially explain the apparently high level of "wear" this coin exhibits, in my opinion.Its a pity the photos arent of a higher quality to judge a bit better.The MS64 also seems overgraded,but again,the photos are not detailed enough to say for sure.It is curious that more than one or a few of these "Trial Strike" pieces seem to have surfaced,it will be interesting to see what transpires in terms of additional information, hopefully the seller will provide higher quality photographs of these coins since they have certainly generated much talking points and curiosity. -
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Pierre_Henri replied to GROOVIE COINS's topic in Coins and Notes (for the Numismatist)
Here are the VF25 and the MS64 side by side. Could it be that the VF25 was actually a soft strike and it did not circulate as such? -
Unrecorded trial strike?
Pierre_Henri replied to GROOVIE COINS's topic in Coins and Notes (for the Numismatist)
I agree 100% with your comments. As a matter of interest, here is the 1929 Half Crown trial strike in MS64 by the same seller https://old.bidorbuy.co.za/item/474180719/TRIAL_STRIKE_1929_Union_2_1_2_Shillings_Cu_100_Graded_MS64.html - Last week
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Unrecorded trial strike?
CapeCurrencyCoin replied to GROOVIE COINS's topic in Coins and Notes (for the Numismatist)
I dont see any issue with SANGS clarifying how the Sheldon scale grading corresponds to the equivalent in the traditional form of grading,ie F=VF25 or VF+ =AU50 or EF+=AU58 etc etc,in fact i think its important because many collectors/buyers/sellers dont actually realize the equivalent and corresponding grade between grading systems, its a matter of speaking the same language, not actually a modification of anything, as a result of not understanding this many novice buyers are actually being slightly misled when they buy an NGC, PCGS,ANACS or SANGS graded coin because in the case of SA coins they are getting their Cat Value from Herns catalogue,they think for example an XF40 coin in a slab corresponds to an EF/XF in Herns or Krause etc,whereas it does not,an XF40 (using this example) is actually just a VF.So buyers end up paying EF/XF money for a VF coin,and typically the cat value between VF and EF can be quite substantial. The issue with this 1929 2 1/2 Shillings "trial piece" based on what i can see in the photos(which are not very clear) is that its not even remotely close to an F or Fine grade on the traditional grading system,because in this case its what i cant see of the coin,ie whats missing or worn away that clearly shows that its overgraded by SANGS... -
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Unrecorded trial strike?
GROOVIE COINS replied to GROOVIE COINS's topic in Coins and Notes (for the Numismatist)
I'm a huge advocate for coins being graded here in SA but I do admit SANGS missed the plot with their grading system. I don't see why they felt the need to alter the Sheldon system as it's universally accepted. This is a classic example of where they would numerically grade a coin as VF25 but verbally call it "Fine", as can be seen by little F in the bottom right corner of the label. Call a pot a pot and a kettle a kettle, anything else just creates confusion. -
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Unrecorded trial strike?
CapeCurrencyCoin replied to GROOVIE COINS's topic in Coins and Notes (for the Numismatist)
Well,i dont think SANGS are doing themselves any favours in terms of credibility if they think the 1929 1/2 Crown/2.5 Shillings is a VF25,whether its a trial strike or not,and i seriously doubt it,the grading of VF25 is a little embarrassing....
